Grizz (00:41)
It was a, we almost got it on time there.
Ice Bear (00:44)
tried. The important part is beer is now here.
Grizz (00:46)
change.
Beer is here and beer is good. You know, I feel like this moody setting is pretty nice because it's the first time there's bears after dark.
Ice Bear (01:01)
It is our first bears after you. probably don't realize this, but normally we're recording this midday. We're day drinking bears. The den is typically, busy with frolicking at like 1 PM. But this is, this is like real human drinking hours. We're approaching midnight here in Maple land.
Grizz (01:15)
Yeah.
freedomville, Texas. It's 1030. This is appropriate drinking time.
Ice Bear (01:30)
Yeah, this is like society at large isn't mad at us for drinking right now. All right. So do you want to tell them the special occurrence or should I?
Grizz (01:41)
I'll let you take this.
Ice Bear (01:45)
All right. So this will be our first 2B2B where we have a special guest star. It's 2B3B. That's right. We're having a third beer tonight because I have a weak ass little beer. And when you have one that's too weak, you have to follow it up with something extra, something a little stronger.
bless you. Yes, perfect.
Grizz (02:10)
that thank you yeah
so it's 1000 % true so I instead I'm breaking my two 12 ounce cans equals a 16 ounce can because I got a very strong 12 ounce can and so now I'm deciding I'm gonna go one and to have to partake in a third
Ice Bear (02:32)
Everyone knows 12 plus 12 equals 16. It's just good math. There's nothing wrong with it.
Grizz (02:40)
Beautiful math really. It's the greatest math the world's ever seen or so I've been told.
Ice Bear (02:44)
You
Grizz (02:47)
So I think let's just jump right into it because it's late. We can get moody. Don't want that to happen to us. So we're going to go into this. this time, I think you led it last time, so I'll lead it this time. This one right here I'm very excited of because it's a limited release. This is from a brewery that I've had before, a few of them, and they've been
Ice Bear (02:53)
We can.
Please do.
Grizz (03:13)
kind of mid they've been good. The ones I've had weren't amazing but they are solid. And this one and I've never had this type of beer from them. This is from I believe Windsor. So Boston, Massachusetts and Windsor, Vermont. Interesting.
Huh. Okay, so we got a lot of here, a lot here. So this right here is the brewery clown shoes. Right? This is called, I got this specifically for my brother bear. This is called Snow on the Maple Tree.
Ice Bear (03:40)
Not terribly far apart.
Phenomenal.
look at that. Look at that.
Grizz (04:03)
So Snow on the Maple Tree
is an Imperial stout aged in maple bourbon barrels. It's rich in malty and it's 11%. It's brewed by Clown Shoes Beer, Boston, Massachusetts, and Windsor, Vermont. They have a lot of text on here as well as kind of getting sidetracked. It's part of the Barrel Guild employee owned beer without pretension. And on the bottom of this right here, says Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico do not litter.
And then it says, inspiration guides us here at Clown Shoes. When I tried this Imperial stout, a quiet, serene feeling spread through me. A vision of a Japanese maple tree. Weathering a snowstorm presented itself. Looking closer, I saw frolicking and cheering cranes in clown shoes. Weird, yes, but nice. Aged in bourbon barrels that had premium maple syrup aged in them as well. This beer is a beautiful compliment for a winter's night.
Ice Bear (05:01)
Mm.
It sounds lovely.
Grizz (05:05)
I can
assure you that these Manchurian cranes do have clutches on.
Ice Bear (05:12)
Are we talking like Ronald McDonald like oversized clown shoes?
Grizz (05:18)
You know, like the hobo clown boot clown shoes where they're like oversized, but they have like their high tops like that.
Ice Bear (05:23)
Yes, gotcha. Okay. So it is with deep regret that I inform you that my first one tonight is, you can't even really call it a beer. It is one, but it's a 4.5%. So thus the reason I have to do a third. But when you see the can, I think you're gonna immediately understand why.
This is from Nickelbrook Brewing Company, which is from here in Ontario. Not Nickelback, settle down. This is Raspberry Jam Stand. This is a
Grizz (05:51)
Never made it as a wise man.
Okay, sorry, sorry.
Ha
Now that.
Ice Bear (06:07)
4.5
% again with a lovely bear wearing a nice fedora. So how could you not?
Grizz (06:11)
That's basic.
That's us cosplaying cat Williams.
Ice Bear (06:15)
It absolutely is. If it only had the giant fucking chain with the telling all the time and secrets of society at large, then yes, we'd be there. But this is, let's see what's going on with this one. This is a Berliner Weiss with vanilla and hibiscus.
Grizz (06:38)
Interesting.
Ice Bear (06:40)
It is fresh, jammy, and has a cherry blaster pore color. And I can say, yeah, that's a cherry blaster pore color, sure.
Grizz (06:49)
wow.
That is really nice.
Ice Bear (06:57)
It has a nice flavor, but it is very much like anything under like six and a half is just it's hard because you're like, why am I wasting all this liquid? But sometimes you want to give something to try.
Grizz (07:17)
mean, sometimes, especially doing yard work, being out in the sun, or just drinking all day. Having a good week like Porch Pounder is amazing. You just drink it all day. You don't have to worry about nothing.
Ice Bear (07:30)
Yeah, no, that's
very true. you're hot, your yard work is a perfect example.
Grizz (07:37)
like, man tucky
man tucky from i believe it was montana it's like a four and a half percent or something tiny something small but like they're super bright they're super like it's like it's just refreshing kill a bunch of them and it's not bad at all
Ice Bear (07:52)
very nice.
Grizz (07:59)
This is a really actually a very, very weird one. Like it's bold. I'm not really getting much maple.
honestly it's like imperial stouty like do you know that one Rasputin
Ice Bear (08:12)
Bye.
Like, is it a beer Rasputin or do I know Rasputin?
Grizz (08:19)
not Rasputin the G the beer Rasputin the Imperial Stout so Rasputin it says Imperial Stout and it just has a picture of Rasputin like you know the whole famous picture of him it's an Imperial Stout it was the first time I ever tried it's not bad like it's a good mid stout this one it's very like that it's kind of mid like it's what's it's not full body that's kind of the weird thing because it has a heavy start and a heavy finish
Ice Bear (08:23)
I do not know. I do not know.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Grizz (08:47)
But the middle is like non-existent. And so it's very weird for like an 11%. You know what I mean? it's, yeah, so like I haven't like placed this one yet, but it's interesting. It's not bad by any means, but it's weird.
Ice Bear (08:51)
Weird. Yeah, that's odd.
That would be confusing. Yeah.
This is going to be, I feel confident saying the ceiling on this one is a B minus. It's probably going to be somewhere in the C neighborhood. It's not bad. I do. I love the can enough that I'm still happy I bought it, but like, it's just, and this is something where like, if you like,
a week or drink like you said like if your thing is just having like something that you can drink six of this would probably be great but that's that's just not my game
Grizz (09:35)
That's actually there. I'm kind of in the same territory with this one.
The ceiling for this one's like a C plus, B minus. The ceiling. But I do absolutely love the art. like, I mean, kind of, it's hard to beat cranes beneath Japanese maple tree in the snow.
Ice Bear (09:59)
I think just in the spirit of being positive participants in the world at large when we have to give something like a less than a B ranking we should probably give the can its own ranking just to be like hey you did something right
Grizz (10:19)
I mean, this can's an A, easy. I love this can. I had to like double back because these were kind of expensive. I'm not going to lie.
but like it was totally worth it just for the can and just for like everything about it so I was like this is fucking I am not sad I got it
Ice Bear (10:40)
I couldn't help but notice that looks like a new hat, sir.
Grizz (10:45)
It is a new hat.
Ice Bear (10:47)
I like it, that's snazzy. There's no need to flick the brim like that.
Grizz (10:52)
You know, I'm assuming you know what this is? Do you know?
Ice Bear (10:56)
It's
a bit blur. It looks cowboy's colors, but I can't really make out the logo on it. What's happening there? Is he holding a pink panther?
Grizz (11:07)
So he's on a horse that's cowboy Joe. This is like retro. Cowboys merged from like between like the 60s and 70s.
Ice Bear (11:20)
Okay, so this is the same art where like the Bengals logo is like, it looks like Tony the Tiger coked out of his mind, like running. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Grizz (11:27)
basically Yeah, very similar. It's
this one right here because I wondered a cowboy's hat but like You know, my soul's been hurting with them a lot and like so I was like, you know what? I don't want and also to I Don't be wearing a hat and then I'm have to like Defy for my life and defend myself From like all the the cowboy slander. So like I was like, alright
Ice Bear (11:37)
Yeah, that's fair.
Ha ha.
Grizz (11:53)
People that know and people that like the team are gonna know this retro logo and they're gonna be like, you're a real one. But the people that are like disengaged that are just like passive fans or anything, they're not gonna recognize it. You know, so I thought.
Ice Bear (12:09)
You're absolutely right. Yeah. Sometimes
like subtle things like that where like the people that are meant to know, know it. It's the most satisfying.
So I have to admit, I'm having a heavy heart tonight because I told you before we started here that earlier in the week we received our first Bear fan mail and I was thrilled to pieces because I got a beautiful custom beer drinking vessel.
Grizz (12:44)
Yeah, I
was actually surprised you weren't using it right now.
Ice Bear (12:48)
So the reason I'm not using it is because I have had a bit of a journey at work this week and I just, I was ready to high tail it. I was thinking about beers. was thinking about shooting the shit with my buddy and I forgot it in my desk at work. So it is absolutely going to appear next week, but just know particularly the listener that
Grizz (13:06)
Ha ha!
Ice Bear (13:17)
was kind enough to supply our first fan mail. It's very appreciated and it will make its appearance next week.
Grizz (13:25)
That's so freaking cool.
Ice Bear (13:27)
Yeah, it was thrilling.
Grizz (13:30)
I was green with envy, it was awesome. It was cool, because it was fast, how something popped up like that. Yeah, it was totally unexpected.
Ice Bear (13:41)
is very unexpected, just absolutely delightful. And also, I kind of think it's going to hold more than a pint. Like it's tall, like it's for sure like, it's like a good four inches taller than this.
Grizz (13:56)
Is it like the
It looks like this, it probably hold a little more than a pint. But if it's the same size as like the one that I drink out of, it's not this mug.
Ice Bear (14:08)
It is you do have one like it. bet it is. Yeah.
Grizz (14:10)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like
it's like it's like 18 ounces 18 20 ounces it almost holds to 12 ounce cans
Ice Bear (14:17)
Okay. 12 plus 12, 18. This is the first thing that like a year down the road, that's definitely a short we could make. Just bare math. It's 12 plus 12. Fuckin six. It's fine.
Grizz (14:21)
Yep.
Exactly, is this the same, you know? You can't convince me otherwise. You never will, nobody will.
Ice Bear (14:44)
It all adds up.
I wouldn't try to. I wouldn't dream of it.
Grizz (14:52)
somebody would
somebody would try
Ice Bear (14:57)
So I think we also need to engage in some congratulations because we have been on a mission to keep these episodes short, snappy, to the point. And as you'll notice, we've gone from a two hour, we're all the way down to an hour and a half. Like we're just a normal movie now. That's fine.
Grizz (15:18)
that's actually
it's not bad I think if we can if he can get it down to an hour amazing beam stay you know in the no longer than the last one I think that's I think it's a win
Ice Bear (15:32)
The issue is, as we go along, I find myself wanting them to be longer, but that's not good for anyone other than us, so we can't do that.
Grizz (15:45)
We'll see. We'll see. Before you know it, it's gonna be like full on Joe Rogan length podcast, but it's no guest is just us.
Ice Bear (15:55)
hours all the time just four hours of me bitching that I haven't had power in a week
Grizz (16:04)
That's true. You know, it'd be a feat to be able to do a three hour, four hour episode while you have no power.
Ice Bear (16:12)
just running on generators, just buy an expensive generator just to do it.
Grizz (16:18)
it's gonna be perfect. It's a beautiful investment. A smart investment if you ask me.
Ice Bear (16:23)
We actually do have a generator.
Grizz (16:26)
shit, there you go.
Ice Bear (16:28)
I know just gotta hook it up.
Grizz (16:30)
You
having powers now is not worth the hassle of having to hook up the generator.
Ice Bear (16:39)
Look, I'm not an electrician,
man. Like, it doesn't have the wire. Like, it needs wiring. It's not like I just have to plug this thing in. It needs a smart person that knows Ohm's Law and shit to pop down in my basement and drill holes through concrete. That's not me.
Grizz (16:55)
That's actually very fair then I take back my snarky remark but with that with the snark with the snark a Toffee just hit me right when I was talking I Think we should kind of just we're gonna keep this trucking because it's been over 15 minutes now We did it again. I did it again Now last week
Ice Bear (17:08)
Mm.
God damn it. There goes my congratulations.
Grizz (17:25)
We brought in the beautiful wonders of 4chain here.
Ice Bear (17:32)
We sure did.
Grizz (17:33)
And it was amazing. Brought me back. I felt like the little ute inside me was just giggling wiggly as we were reading this. And I think we should do it again. I think we should kind of make it a regular thing for the season.
Ice Bear (17:41)
Mm-hmm.
I'm on
I'm unopposed for winter bears.
Grizz (17:51)
I it's actually interesting because it's winter for you, right?
Ice Bear (17:56)
It is still winter here. Yeah. I mean, we just had an ice storm.
Grizz (17:57)
Yeah,
that's very true in the spring for me.
Ice Bear (18:03)
So are we, maybe we should currently be groundhog bears. Because it's still winter for me, spring already for you. And then we'll just get like Puxitani Phil on as a guest until it's spring for both of us.
Grizz (18:09)
I'm going
We can just, we can call them easily. That sounds perfect to me.
Ice Bear (18:24)
He's
on speed dial. Does Texas have their own hog?
Do you guys have a groundhog that you trust or is it Phil for you too?
Grizz (18:30)
I
now i believe now that let me see what's the he has a name
Ice Bear (18:38)
In Maryland,
there was one called General Lee, who I believe was from Virginia, and I think they preferred him.
Grizz (18:43)
Ha ha ha ha ha
I the spirit of the sense. I was going to say, I was supposed to say, to.
Ice Bear (18:49)
As Paxitani Phil was a godless heathen from Pennsylvania.
Okay, you ready for something as you're looking that up terrible? The seal has never seen Groundhog Day.
Grizz (19:02)
Tell me.
Interesting.
Ice Bear (19:10)
And this
is another one where I'm like, it's going to be exactly like my cousin Vinnie. She's going to watch it she's going to like it. But it's just a matter of getting someone to watch a movie from the nineties. Like it's these Utes. They just don't know.
Grizz (19:24)
See, here's the thing, man. I'm pretty sure the tiger has not seen Groundhog Day, but I can't rig myself to try to get her to watch it. Because after the devastation of my cousin Vinny, I don't think I can live through that. My heart can't stand that. My cousin Vinny is a fucking masterpiece. From start to finish.
Ice Bear (19:48)
No arguments here.
Grizz (19:51)
From the jokes, everything about it, from the casting, everything about it's fucking masterpiece.
Ice Bear (19:56)
You know what I didn't remember about it? Because we recently rewatched this. I didn't remember the vibe being so fun. Like just the over like the feel of it is just fun. Start to finish. It's just fucking fun.
Grizz (20:04)
Mm-hmm.
Cause it's way more like gaggy than I remembered it being. Like I remembered it being way more serious. Yeah. And so it's because like too, cause I will always, I will always remember. I remember there was like, a murder or like trial movie that like relied on the car driving away in the shape of a cell lights was a whole thing. I re I made.
Ice Bear (20:14)
Yeah, right? Same.
You like conflate the two.
Grizz (20:40)
My cousin, yeah, all the time. like, just,
just with like the whole positive track thing and the tire marks with the, like, I always kind of just put them together, right? Like, so I remember that movie being very much more serious, like still funny, but more serious. So we're watching it and it's just like top tier, like of the era, like 90s era comedy movies. It's so good.
Ice Bear (20:57)
Yeah.
It's similar with me because when I watch that, I'm thinking my cousin Vinny, Vinny Testaverde, Baltimore Ravens, The Blind Side. So basically Sandra Bullock is in that movie and she's raising a 6'7 black man. And I'm just like, where is he? Where is he? When is he coming out?
Grizz (21:23)
I
mean, to be fair, there's not much difference between Vinny and the 6'7 Black guy.
Ice Bear (21:35)
Joe Pesci has that energy.
Grizz (21:36)
Yeah, that's funny. Did make you laugh? Huh? Am I a clown?
Ice Bear (21:43)
You and your clown shoes. You and your gosh diddly darn clown shoes.
Grizz (21:45)
you
So one thing I actually didn't know, and I don't know how real this is. I mean, it has to be kind of real.
I mean, I guess it'd be in Bee Cave, so it's outside of Austin. Texas does not have a groundhog. Instead, it uses an armadillo named Bee Cave Bob, which is around the Austin area. This tradition is a twist. Let me look up Bee Cave Bob.
Ice Bear (22:09)
And what does he look for? His shadow?
I'd love to know that BK of Bob.
Grizz (22:17)
Let's do a quick look. BKBob from BK of Texas.
Ice Bear (22:19)
Now hold on speaking
speaking of armadillos don't you have a friend that made like a guitar out of an armadillo or something?
Grizz (22:27)
Oh, so he so I do have a friend he likes he collects a bunch of guitars and he collects like a lot of like Folk instruments and weird instruments, right? So does I believe I don't know if it's like check or it's some it's some type of I think it's like Eastern European night old instrument, right? Like it's like an eastern year. Yeah Check him up again recently and I was like that I forgot but anyway, yeah, so they
Ice Bear (22:46)
Czechoslovakia every episode.
Grizz (22:57)
So it's just think of like a type of like, not a banjo, but like a Eastern European mandolin. And the body of it was literally a fucking armadillo, like a real life taxidermy armadillo. Like it's like most weirdest fucking sounding thing because it's super creepy sounding because like skin doesn't really like hold good tamper. So like, it's like, I'm not going to lie. I really want to borrow it for recording.
Ice Bear (23:10)
amazing.
shocking.
Grizz (23:28)
Well, like, but yeah. So going back to going back to Armadillo, BK Bob has helped Texas predict the early arrival of spring or the prolongment of winter since 2010. Bob is a part of a Groundhog Day secessionist movement from founder T Booth, rechristening it Armadillo Day and stating, we don't need no major groundhog in Pennsylvania predicting the weather predicting the weather from us. In addition to weather forecast, Bob also predicts the upcoming year's partisan lean.
Ice Bear (23:58)
Wow. Good job, Bob.
Grizz (24:00)
See,
and this is, and this right here, he's a snazzy fella right here.
Ice Bear (24:07)
I like him. like everything about Bob from what I hear.
Grizz (24:10)
Mab's a good guy. You can't be wrong with going on Mab. Now, before we go to night track again.
Ice Bear (24:15)
you
you
On the rails. Keep it on the rails.
Grizz (24:25)
We are going to continue the green texts because they're awesome. And so we're going to do the spirit of two. A funny one that either like we found or kind of there was memory holding to us. And then a not so funny one, either the either just messed up cringe or I'm going to say spooky because mine's more spooky because the one. All right, so we go.
Ice Bear (24:27)
Absolutely.
Mine's a little spooky tonight.
Grizz (24:54)
Bears after dark, we're doing this.
Ice Bear (24:56)
bears after dark my god hold on okay i i just want to get like a version of the intro where it's like just like two bears two bears two bears two bears
Grizz (25:00)
Yeah
Ice Bear (25:16)
Yes, precisely. Do you want to go first? Do you want me to go first?
Grizz (25:19)
I think I went first last time. You take this one.
Ice Bear (25:22)
Alright, so I'm gonna start with the jolly one. And this I can actually relate to quite well. So, hear me out. B9, not allowed TV or internet, not allowed to play with friends. Only have Game Boy SP and Pokemon Leaf Green. Started out with Charmander. Name her Amber.
I myself not only to use Ember in battle, grind a ton of killing wild Nidorans and Pidgeys to level up, evolve Ember into Charmeleon before first gym, beat first gym, beat second gym, keep winning more and more and more.
Eventually have Charizard. Ember kicks everyone's butts easy. Keep grinding for weeks until Ember is level 99. Finally go through Victory Road with HM Slaves. Put the HM Slaves away. Face Elite Four with Ember only. Hardest fight she's ever done. Close to losing a few times. Push through. Win. Ember best girl. Thanks Ember. I miss you so much. You were my only childhood friend.
Grizz (26:29)
You know, the funny thing is though that on one run as a kid, I did evolve my starter before Brock.
Ice Bear (26:30)
hahahaha
Same, so did I, and it was also charmingly.
Grizz (26:43)
Yeah, I did Tremelia and then I did Ivysaur on accident, because I didn't know Ivysaur evolved earlier.
Ice Bear (26:50)
Mm, gotcha. Yeah, so like as a kid, the other thing I didn't understand was like, I didn't really understand type advantage, even though the game like tells you like if you read, but like I was just like, monsters. And I had I had like a Nintendo Power guidebook and it had stickers as you caught them. So you pulled off the sticker and you stuck them.
Grizz (27:10)
Was
it for the yellow version? That complete guide?
Ice Bear (27:15)
No, this
is red and blue. This is like the originals. I'm old, man.
Grizz (27:18)
Yeah, yeah, well the
yellow version was for it was released right after red and blue. It was the third one
Ice Bear (27:25)
no, was
eons later. Might as well have been a whole set of moons later.
Grizz (27:32)
Yeah, because it was right after, I had got both versions for my birthday. I got red and blue for my birthday, I was like, what the hell? The best thing in the world. And then I got poisoned in Viterating Forest, and my Game Boy Pocket was glitching. And I was like, I thought I broke my game. But yeah, I also got a level two Pikachu in there. It was awesome.
Ice Bear (27:57)
So the probably the best and simultaneously most upsetting thing about yellow was like obviously the in the original to like you had to do like the physical link cable between game boys right to trade and like as a kid the only thing I really cared about were the starters like I picked charm under the first time but like I really wanted blast toys because I was jealous of my friends they had that big man blast toys big man blast toys
Grizz (28:18)
Big man blast choice.
Ice Bear (28:24)
And then in yellow, like if you play along the game, you get to catch all the starters. Like you start with Pikachu, but then you'll encounter all of them. And so it was like objectively just of that gen far and away the best. Like you get to catch everything. It was, it was just, I don't know. It was just more fun.
Grizz (28:40)
And it was for like Game
Boy colors. It was like the first one that had like tinges of color into it. They were just wasn't all yellow or all red shade or blue shade.
Ice Bear (28:44)
Right.
yeah so anyway whoever wrote that I relate I also did the same thing and I also really like I had forgotten the term HM slave but I saw that that takes me back
Grizz (28:59)
the barrel.
Yeah,
Barbaro is the ultimate nature of a slave.
Ice Bear (29:04)
Cut. Strength. Waterfall? Did he know surf? Okay, yeah. Couldn't remember. Nice. All right, what you got over there?
Grizz (29:07)
Surf.
Yeah, yeah. So.
Mine right here. This one right here is, this is a great one. This is going all the way back to 2014. Be 10 year old me.
We
hear police sirens.
fucking SWAT team comes out, slams into me, eagle pathetically attempts to fly away, gets up in the air, they fucking take it out with the sniper.
sobbing at this point. Ask them why they did it. It was a sick eagle. So that's prohibited by the law. Why? Because they are illegal.
Ice Bear (30:21)
You
man I can't believe I didn't see that I should have seen it coming and I didn't see it dude speaking of swat team
Grizz (30:42)
perfect segue.
Ice Bear (30:44)
Yeah, I kind of thought you did that on purpose, now it seems like it was a happy accident. Okay, first spear, by the way, down. I'm going to see. It's fine. It's fine. That's what it is. It's fine.
Grizz (30:49)
1000 % happy accident.
See you as well.
Ice Bear (31:04)
Okay, I think I want to if it's acceptable to you, I'm going to go grab my second one right quick. And then I will regale you with the tale of swattery nose. I'll be right back.
Grizz (31:17)
Do it.
So all he goes runs and gets a beer because he's unprepared, which is not cool. Because being prepared is very cool.
What's all the opening card stuff? Like and subscribe and all that good things.
I was telling him to like and subscribe so that I also be smart stupid for not being prepared because being prepared is cool.
Ice Bear (31:52)
okay that's what I say that's what the people want
Grizz (31:53)
Last one.
You did say the
first vote was in.
Ice Bear (32:04)
And you know who cast that first vote? The same lovely person that provided the first fan service, fan service, fan mail. Whoops. Can it get beaten? All right. Beer number two that I'm going to crack before I start telling this tale is orange juice sour. This is from Maine squeeze at Double Trouble.
Grizz (32:12)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're gonna get beat. You're gonna get beat.
Ice Bear (32:32)
We squeezed everything we can into this juicy fruiter orange juice sour. A little bit stronger than the first one. Still a weak ass little boy. 5.7 but I'm excited for it. And I was thinking just start them all off with the fruit flavors. Okay. So. Yes, yes please.
Grizz (32:51)
so why before you go mine let me put mine into
again and we towards that's bright this one here I am actually very very excited for I thought this soot sprite I fit well because this art reminds me specifically of a very very awesome dragon it's a pink dragon a pink version of him but it reminds me of the dragon
very much so and when I show them you're going to know exactly why the Sysbright matches. This is from the amazing absolutely awesome Celestial Beer Works one of my all-time favorite. Brewed right here in Dallas Texas. This is Arrow of Time. It's a triple hazy IPA with Strata. I don't know how to say this fucking word.
Ice Bear (33:35)
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (33:49)
Motika, I don't know what the Eka don't strata Motika and Nelson Savin hops It's a triple the hops that I like strata a lot to the other ones kind of impart I'm kind of indifferent about but I am very excited about this one triple hazies are amazing and Look at this art. Who does that dragon look like?
Ice Bear (33:52)
Sure. I like it.
that, that, my God, what's it? Sierra has it on her jacket. Don't, you're gonna shame me. Hakku? Is that its name? There we go, good God.
Grizz (34:24)
That is, that is, that
does look like Haku from Spirited Away.
Ice Bear (34:31)
my God, I almost had to fall on the sword for not knowing that. That would have been deeply embarrassing. Okay. So yeah, with that pure kismet and you bring up SWAT, let me tell you, earlier this week, we got a tap tap tap at the door around 9pm. Lo and behold, that is the Ontario Provincial Police.
their hair to say, hey, shelter in place. Go down into your basement. And we're like, well, our basement's not like the most comfy place in the world. How about not? They're like, all right, fine. Stay low. Cut out the lights. We're like, all right, this is a weird night. Okay, we'll do that. Mind you, this is a few days after having power outages from the ice storm and just a series of other nonsense in the week. So it's just not a welcome time to have anything weird going on.
So we watch TV and we're waiting for, you know, the reason that we've been told to shelter in place. Like what's going on? Why is this being, that is a beautiful looking.
Grizz (35:40)
It smells extremely danky, like almost to the point of like smelling like celery, like it's wild.
Ice Bear (35:47)
Interesting. All right. that's weird. All right.
Grizz (35:52)
I mean it in a good way but yeah it's like very dinky. Before I really interrupt it.
Ice Bear (35:55)
Surprising, right? Okay. So
no, no, no, you're fine. So a couple hours go by after the police knocky knocky. And in the course of that few hours, we have noticed that in front of our house, we've gone from three cruisers to three cruisers directly in front of our house. Four or five more at the corner, like over by the where the horses are turning around traffic like full roadblock.
So no one's allowed to come towards our house anymore. Look down the street the other way. Next intersection blocked off. They're turning around everyone that way. So they fully blocked off the street in both directions. We're at that point, 15 cops deep probably. We're like, all right, this is weird. So we go to bed, watch TikToks like we normally do, and kind of doze off. Then like 1158, 1159.
I hear what I think is like a snowplow and like that's weird. Like it's been icy, like not warrant a snowplow. I see, you know, and then I see these really bright lights going up my neighbor's driveway and it is like the full on like SWAT mobiles, like not like SUVs, but like the tank looking SWAT mobile things. And they're just like scraping the driveway going up. So they go up and they turn on their like
bright headlights and those like high beam things on their roofs and they just light the place up like it's an action movie. So my neighbor's house is now just aggressively being lit up. And then they get on the loud speaker and they're like, you know, I'm not going to say the name because I'm not sure they say the guest name. This is the Ontario provincial police. need you to come to the front door, hands up. We wish to end this peacefully, blah, blah. And so they repeat this message like on loop every minute.
And every time before they start it, by the way, they're chirping their sirens. So like our dogs are going nuts because they haven't been able to go outside. Can hear the horses freaking out. And they're doing this consistently, like cock work every minute on the minute for like 10, 15 minutes. And then finally they're like, all right, that's enough of repeating the message. This guy clearly is not coming out with his hands up, cooperating, loving them. And then they switched to like a five minute interval, but still same thing. They're chirping the sirens. The message is going off.
very loud. Like this is not a quiet process. So our whole little stretch of neighborhood is fully invested in what's going on at this point. So now.
Grizz (38:28)
When did the drones come out?
When did the drones come out?
Ice Bear (38:32)
that's about to happen. Cause what they did was at this point, they cut all their lights. So this whole thing's been lit up brightest day. Now we're like pitch black. Can't see a thing. I'm kind of like lurking up in my window, watching this all like a hawk. Now they cut the lights, lights come back on. And now you've got a little wall-y type robot just scooting along in the driveway real slow. Just going up to the front door.
And then off of this WALL-E robot launches a drone. And it starts like circling the house. So we're circling the house. And I'm like, OK, cool. Something's going to happen now, right? Like they're not going to keep Evren up all night. Something's going to happen. No. Lights cut again. I'm like, all right, Jesus. I would really like to go to bed. Lights come back on. Now two drones circling the house in opposite directions.
Grizz (39:03)
shit.
Ice Bear (39:28)
Also at this point, I have now seen the SWAT guys pop out of the back of the SWAT mobile. They are in full on tactical armor, night vision goggles, crazy helmets, all these shenanigans.
lights cut again. Like this is getting absurd. Like what is with the light play? Come back on. One of the SWAT guys is now walking around the house with the Belgian Malinois. So I'm like, okay, this is like, like what is going, like what is causing all of this? Why are we so worried about this? And I remember texting you and I'm like, what are we thinking? Bomb threat? Murder? Did he eat children? What happened? Who knows? At the time anyway. And so now finally,
after all this bullshit they think alright it's time to breach so all the SWAT guys go up with their little door battering ram thing go in it's like five six of them two three minutes later they walk out he looks sketchier than usual a little skinnier a little shakier but not like anything crazy there's clearly no violence and they just perp walk him to the van but then out the door comes like
20 of these SWAT guys. So clearly they had fully surrounded the house during all those like periods of darkness and they'd like breached every door simultaneously because they all just bounce out. And now that he is secured, they also then cut the lights one more time. And while that's dark, they kind of like walk out with what looked like stretchers. So I'm thinking like, no, this is like a violent crime. Turns out it has now been released that he just had ghost guns.
and a bunch of ammo. So it was clearly just like
Grizz (41:13)
So was
it ghost guns as in like, manufactured 3D printing guns or was it just like, on like, un-serialized guns? Okay, cool, okay, yeah.
Ice Bear (41:28)
that was just like this does not happen in our area so it's definitely a quite the experience
Grizz (41:39)
Yeah, what's kind of crazy to me is like
He got arrested for something that's just like very normal over here in Texas. You know what mean?
Ice Bear (41:53)
So presumably the reason for their start was he was in crisis. So I think there's probably some sort of like domestic shenanigans where he was either a danger to himself for them or both. And it just happens to be that like, you know, the charge that's gonna stick here is the guns.
Grizz (42:04)
Yeah. Yeah. Which kind of sounds like it, to be honest.
That's actually gonna be wild. They didn't even go there for those and it was just a wellness check kind of thing. And then it's like, damn, to get caught for a wellness check.
Ice Bear (42:21)
Yeah.
Yeah. But I kind of think based on the level of law enforcement you had there, I think there's got to be stuff they're not printing in the papers. Like why would you send two full like tactical SWAT teams and that many police if you didn't suspect something a bit more.
Grizz (42:35)
for sure.
So I mean that or the area doesn't see a lot of action. the station squad's like, fuck yeah, let's go, let's roll. Can we, you know what I mean? Like when else are we gonna have a reason to use this?
Ice Bear (43:02)
if it was something where it was like we had some sort of county police or something like that I would be fully in ingredients but this is the equivalent of like a marshal yeah a state trooper a marshal and so it's like it's not like I mean within an hour we have what would be like if you're counting the US and Canada is like like it's the third biggest city like it's New York LA Toronto Toronto's
Grizz (43:12)
Like the state troopers? Okay, so, okay, okay, gotcha. Gotcha, okay.
Yeah,
that's very excellent. Yeah.
Ice Bear (43:30)
eight
million people. there's it's a lot of people. So there's plenty for them to do.
Grizz (43:35)
I mean, at the end of the day, you ever watch that one documentary, reading our 9-1-1?
Ice Bear (43:43)
Yes, my
birth city, yes, I've seen that. And I can confirm that is all 100 % fact.
Grizz (43:50)
true. I don't know.
Ice Bear (43:52)
particularly the lad on the roller skates. He's there in the wild.
Grizz (43:58)
That's honestly the first thing I thought like there was that one scene where he's like I'm dead or he's like crying on the floor sitting down Saying that he's It's like you're not dead. We're talking to you right now
Ice Bear (44:11)
It's one of those things where in hindsight, I don't know who my favorite character in that show was, because I love Dangle.
Grizz (44:17)
Dangle's the top dude. New boot goofin'. Like, come on.
Ice Bear (44:20)
Noob.
Noob-oot-goofin'. What do you do? Noob-oot-goofin'. Noob-oot-goofin'.
Grizz (44:25)
It was funny is like I did I wasn't a huge fan of dangle when I watched it when I was younger like I liked exactly or It was more like he was the
Ice Bear (44:31)
Because you were a homophobe.
Grizz (44:42)
You know, like the campy kind of like, like, I'm like, whatever, guess what, you know, you know, what made me actually like him was when the same actor played the accidental, like gay date in I love you, man. Like when he played that and he's like, I thought we had something special, but now I know it was a taste of betrayal. Right. It was a, you fucking whore. Right. Like after that movie.
Ice Bear (44:57)
Sure. Yep.
the
Grizz (45:10)
It made me like Lusana Dangle because he's just so funny. And then it made it made all the stuff that I wasn't a fan of when I was younger, like funny. But to me, my favorite scenes were like all three female cops, like for all different reasons. like any time they pulled somebody over, like this is fucking hilarious. And then it was at Terry, right? Like the Nick Schwartzson's character. Yeah, like.
Ice Bear (45:14)
That's absolutely fair.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Grizz (45:40)
Best character there.
Ice Bear (45:42)
Yeah, he's really good. They have a lot of cameos in that show, too, that I didn't realize like who they were at the time. There's a lot of gems. Yeah, you're right. All the female cops are great. Like, Niecy Nash's character is like just so good. Especially when it's like her being like, you know, when they blur her face out and it's the lady with like the crazy, like floppy titty balls, like roaming around like my God.
Grizz (46:00)
That's so good.
Yeah.
Ice Bear (46:12)
outstanding.
Grizz (46:14)
such a good show. Do you remember the movie where they try to like unbeach the whale?
Ice Bear (46:17)
Yes.
Again, it's a documentary. This is what Reno Transports would do if put at the beach.
Grizz (46:30)
so good so so so good man
Ice Bear (46:35)
Should we hit them with the next green text?
Grizz (46:37)
We gotta go
with the next one. We're keeping this going.
Ice Bear (46:42)
OK so you
went last right? We back to me back to me OK so this one here it's a little bit spoopy so so if you're if you're easily scared just mute it for the next five minutes alright also this was fun because normally when I find these were you know reflecting on yesteryear but this is actually from today so you know early April 2025 year of our Lord
Grizz (46:46)
Yeah, so it's you.
Ice Bear (47:12)
Be me. 27. Land surveyor and bum fuck nowhere. Check abandoned properties for development. Boss sends me to some farmhouse. No roads, just miles of dead fields. Overgrown trees. Abandoned in the 70s, no reason given. Great.jpg. Park truck, walk rest of the way. House looks... wrong. Not falling apart, not vandalized, just... off.
Windows too clean like someone wipes them. Front door shut. No locks. No handle. Just a wood slab nailed across it. Snap a few pics. Drone up for aerial shots. Drone feed glitches. Battery drains from 80 % to 5 % instantly. What the fuck.exe. Need interior shots too. Go around. Find a broken window. Crawl through. Land in the kitchen.
Everything's still there. Plates on tables, chairs pushed in, food long rotted. House is silent. Not no one's here silent. Waiting silent. Flash goes off, lights up hallway, something moves at the end of it. Stand still. Listen. Nothing. Just my breathing. Shine flashlight down the hall. Old family photos still hanging. Faces scratched out, not with knife.
fingernails, bits of nail embedded in the frames, proceed to shit bricks, instantly push open nearest door, bedroom floor covered in yellow newspapers. Headlines are nonsense. He knows you're here. Do not look at the window, your teeth will be gone. Brain short circuits, panic setting in window creeks behind me. Nope, nope, nope, not turning away. bolt down hallway, something soft crunches under my boot. Look down newspaper with today's date headline, he sees you.
Brick shitting intensifies. Hear breathing behind me. Jump out window like kid escaping the Diddy party. Reach truck. Fuck this job. Fuck this house. Never report my findings. Call in sick. Two days later, ask manager about the house. He acts like it never existed. I don't think I have long to live, bros.
Grizz (49:26)
Damn. actually terrifying.
Ice Bear (49:31)
What a journey.
It's very creepy. Very creepy indeed. Reminded me of like a Resident Evil kind of intro.
The thing with stuff like that is anytime like technology glitches that is really disconcerting. Cause like, don't know if you remember earlier in the year before they did the, the temporary Tik Tok ban, but like Tik Tok for like my feet anyway, it was getting filled with like all the UAP nonsense in Jersey. And like, I had a few people that I actually like personally know in Jersey that were trying to like
go and see them with drones. And everyone was saying that like you'd get kind of close and the drone would just die. Like just instant. And so it's like, that's, that's weird. I wonder what that is.
Grizz (50:32)
Yeah, wasn't it just like military tech? think they found the stuff that they opened it and they're like, greenlit it like the year prior.
Ice Bear (50:44)
Sure. Sure. That's what it is. Non-human biologics, Grizz. Non-human biologics.
Grizz (50:45)
Yeah.
I don't know man.
So here's
the thing, I tend to be like, yeah, it's military tech. They're just testing us. Like, you know, like, like was it Operation Sea Spray when they were spraying the Bay in California with like chemicals to see like how, how the things would happen, something like that. But then again, in the uncovered CIA documents that recently just were like released, right? They do say in their...
the aliens attacked Russian soldiers and turned them into stone or some some crazy shit. That's it's actually reported in the CIA docs. So, know, either somebody was smoking meth, a little Matthew, you know, or. Aliums. You pick.
Ice Bear (51:28)
Mm-hmm. Now. Yeah.
hey,
but between that and the nonsense under the pyramids and the thing is I'm, I have to constantly check myself with things like this because I want so badly for it to be real. So it's very hard for me to like keep a objective mind frame. Cause I'm like, that's way more fun if there's.
Grizz (51:51)
or all the pillars and all that shit.
It's true.
very true. But the payment thing I'm like so just start digging you know like you know yeah
Ice Bear (52:27)
Yeah, no, I'm with you. I wish they would.
Grizz (52:32)
Okay, here's, here's, here's why it's a
Ice Bear (52:34)
What you got? What you got over there?
Grizz (52:41)
I will say this is perfect spooky 4-chain. It's going to cover all the bases. Some people are not going to like it. Some people are going to love it. Some people are going to be like, what the fuck? Sorry.
Ice Bear (52:47)
boy.
boy.
Is this going to be another you trying to pitch Yeezy's clothing line?
Grizz (53:05)
No, but at least it's, so no matter how bad this gets, just remember, at least it's not Boku no Pico, okay? Okay, so, anonymous, this was posted in 2021.
Be me.
Half-sleep paralysis every now and then. Pretty rare. Wake up, can't move. Paralyzed below neck. Scared for some reason. See some black humanoid-shaped silhouette in the room corner.
Nothing outstanding standingly bad, but don't want to deal with it anymore. Start jerking off aggressively every time before bed, staring into that corner to assert dominance and show how I don't fear. Show how I don't fear. One night I'll wake up. Can't move. Heart racing. Skinless woman. Looking thing with dozens of eyes on her face sitting on me, straddling.
has hands with claws like Freddy Krueger and Night Fingers but on both hands. Nearly shits myself. It whispers. Sleep Naked, you coward.
Ice Bear (54:23)
You
Grizz (54:24)
I'll bork you so hard you'll never be able to get off to another human being again. I'll be waiting, worm.
Shut my eyes. Praying for the Lord to deliver me from this evil. Surrounding my bed with salt the next day. No longer try to assert any sort of dominance. Get sleep paralysis now more often. Same shit with ScyllaDroid in the darkroom corner. Week ago, ScyllaDroid moved to foot of my bed. Looks like it's hands behind the salt line, but I'm still getting nervous. How fucked am I? It's all in my head. Just fucked imagination, right?
What are you to do with psychiatrist help? Now.
uh, two parter because on November 4th, 2021, this pops up beastly paralysis demon haunting this cute guy, afraid to make a move. He starts, he starts jacking it every night, looking at me, asking for it. JPEG figure, figure out he's into me too. Makes my move.
Ice Bear (55:12)
no.
Grizz (55:34)
Tell him to sleep nude because I can't take his clothes off. Promise sex so good other females will feel like sticking peanut in a cup of lukewarm water. Suddenly he's not into it anymore. What the fuck dude. PNG. Suddenly doesn't want anything. No more night shows. This cute guy jerking it. Can't even sit on his bed anymore. Thirst. JPEG.
Ice Bear (56:03)
no, what a journey. What an absolute journey.
Grizz (56:05)
Ha
Ha
Ice Bear (56:10)
Sleep paralysis is wild. Have you ever had it?
Grizz (56:14)
Yeah, though.
One time, just one time.
And I remember it vividly as fuck.
Ice Bear (56:25)
Go on.
Grizz (56:26)
Ooh, okay, all right.
Be me. Little gris. I don't know. This was like probably 2021, 2022. I had just delivered the cub to state school. And I was like, you know what? By myself, I'm still little tired. I'm going to take a little nap. you know, prop up, lay down, living room. Yeah, lay down and go to sleep.
Ice Bear (56:31)
you
Grizz (57:00)
So my duplex at the time on high on one of the walls, there was a small rectangular window that was just sealed. You can't open it. You can't close it. Right. And it's high up there. Like I'm six feet tall and this thing sits like six inches above me. So I fall asleep. I fall asleep on the floor, which I do like sleeping on the floor. So I fall asleep on the floor.
And I'm like in kind of fetal position facing the wall that way where that window's at. And I remember waking up and I remember looking around and like the room's slightly darker. Like it's there's still sunlight coming in the windows, but all my windows have like heavy curtains on it except for that one. So lights coming in and it has like this orange hue to it. And I'm hearing this like robotic sound and I'm pretty sure it was like the trash pickup happening.
But I hear these crazy robotic sounds coming in from the other side and like the orange shoe that's coming through that windows just slowly getting darker and darker and more vibrant red. And it's like, it's like a smoky red thing just coming through that window. And the way I can describe it is probably like, uh, for millennials, the dementors, and then for like people that are based, like, uh, the ghouls, the ghouls from the old Scooby-Doo cartoon, you know, I'm talking about. Like.
Yeah, so it was kind of like those figures, like those shapes, like were like, crawl and grunt. Mind you, I couldn't move my body. So like, I'm looking towards the wall and I can kind of see it in my peripheral view. can kind of see the window, but I can't see it perfectly because I can't move. And so I'm seeing these like shadowy robed shapes, grab the inside of the window and pull themselves in. And there's like multiple and just keep doing it. And like, I'm like trying to like move.
Ice Bear (58:49)
Hmm. Hmm.
Grizz (58:56)
And in my head, I'm like, all right, this is not real. I'm just freaking out, like fucking move. And so I'm like trying to move and I can't. And I'm like, actually really trying and like, I can feel my heart rate getting higher and higher. Cause I'm like trying to, I'm starting to panicking cause I can't. like, so I was feeling multiple things come in and I feel them like kind of, I can see the bottoms of like, they're like, they're floating past me and around me in the room. And I can see like,
Ice Bear (59:10)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Grizz (59:24)
the bottom of their like shadowy shape of like their robes kind of just right over me and they're kind of and I can see that they're surrounding me I can feel them like watching me and I can feel their presence around me and I'm trying and trying to get around I'm I don't feel like I'm fully surrounded and during that time I uh
I find gasp for air and freaking come out of it and then I see the red hue just go to normal and I'm like, what the fuck? And I sit up and I'm like, and my heart's still racing and everything's freaking out and I'm like, what the fuck was that? And that's the only time it's ever happened to me and that was like, I don't know, I guess like four or five years ago. I never had it as a kid or that was the first time, it's the only time it's ever happened to me.
Ice Bear (1:00:00)
That's wild.
That's enough though. That doesn't sound good. Hmm. Well then. Yeah, that's, that's not a good experience at all.
Grizz (1:00:15)
Yeah.
Have
you ever had one?
Ice Bear (1:00:31)
So I think I've mentioned it to you, but from like the time I was maybe 14, 15 through like my early twenties, like I had bad insomnia. So yeah, I would have it regularly. I didn't have the hallucinations so much. I would just, I would wake up and I would be stuck and I'd be like, this is so annoying.
I've like, I want to get up because sometimes I'd like I'd have to take a piss or something. I'm like, no, this is going to be dicey. I'd just be stuck there.
Grizz (1:01:03)
That's interesting.
Mm-hmm.
Interesting minutes creepy. So though
Ice Bear (1:01:35)
Yeah.
Yeah, a little bit.
Grizz (1:01:42)
I wonder if a lot of the, what do call it, the abduction stuff where they usually have the aliens around their bed and just looking at them. I wonder if there's variations of sleep paralysis.
Ice Bear (1:01:57)
Or it's just a bunch of like people from 4chan just like jerking off. Just just jorking it just peeners out.
Grizz (1:02:02)
Yeah, they're just jorking it.
Ice Bear (1:02:08)
It probably is though. It probably is some some version of the sleepies.
Grizz (1:02:14)
pretty sure it's just Larry.
Ice Bear (1:02:17)
Larry.
Grizz (1:02:20)
Evil Larry.
Ice Bear (1:02:21)
Gosh darn evil Larry.
Well then.
Grizz (1:02:29)
Yeah,
I'd say, know, this one. It's very spooky.
Are you almost done with your second beer?
Ice Bear (1:02:42)
I can easily you say the word and we can finish these bad boys off. Is it time? All let's get rid of them.
Now I've never been able to chug successfully the way you just did. I have to take little pauses and just relax a little bit.
Grizz (1:03:00)
yeah.
A lot of degenerate parties when I was younger.
Ice Bear (1:03:21)
if I have too much too fast it's like I think I'm gonna drown like I'm actually gonna die I'm just gonna drown there's just like a finite amount of liquid I can have in a short span even water like it's not just beer like I couldn't chug a water either
Grizz (1:03:25)
Hmm, interesting.
I don't know why this made me think of something, but like I remember when I first started drinking a gallon of water a day, right? That's kind of like a thing I was doing, uh, to get me to be able to drink a gallon of water a day. Cause like, don't want to drink fucking water, not much water. So was like, you know what? I fucking love tea. So I just don't sweeten tea. It'd be fucking great. And I was like, how much tea do you put in a gallon of water?
I'm just tea bags going, I don't know. So I bought a gallon of water and I bought a box of like green tea. And I just grabbed like eight of those motherfuckers and just put them straight into it and closed it and shook it and just let it sit throughout the day. was just drinking that. I had no idea tea was a diuretic.
So like, I'm talking about for, and I did it for like a few days straight and I'm talking, I never like pissed so much and felt so like loopy, right? And then I was talking to a friend on Instagram and she was like, you know, green tea is a diuretic, right? I was like, what the fuck's a diuretic for one.
You know, and then so I Google it my whole shit. I'm a fucking moron. I was just drinking a gallon of this shit.
Ice Bear (1:05:02)
I can't believe the
inside of your peener was smooth as eggs. You're just washing that bad boy out.
Grizz (1:05:09)
I don't think it's ever been that clean.
Ice Bear (1:05:12)
Good God.
Grizz (1:05:13)
Wow, just remind me of that. I haven't thought of that in forever
Ice Bear (1:05:17)
How old were you?
Grizz (1:05:20)
I'm not young. I would say 21, 22.
Ice Bear (1:05:20)
no.
Nah.
God bless you, sir. I'm glad that diuretic was a new word at 22.
Grizz (1:05:35)
It was I never heard
of that shit in my life
Ice Bear (1:05:40)
Live and learn. Don't know till you don't know.
Well, well, So, Bears After Dark.
Grizz (1:05:51)
We're getting zesty in here.
Ice Bear (1:05:53)
getting many a frolic. You know what? Beer number two. We were just talking last week about how I never have two duds in a row. And neither of these were duds, but like, it's another C. Yeah, like I'm whelmed. I'm simply whelmed.
Grizz (1:06:11)
They're dancing that line?
Well, okay. All right.
Damn. For me...
This, A minus.
Ice Bear (1:06:31)
Celestial, thank you.
Grizz (1:06:33)
A minus, factor
in art, A. Art, fucking phenomenal, love it. I'm fucking huge fan of Ghibli stuff. Haku's awesome. Spirited Away is my second favorite Ghibli movie. Great. And if anybody from South Steel tells me it's not Haku, I'm fighting you. It's Haku. I don't give a fuck what y'all say.
Ice Bear (1:06:58)
How do you feel about the whole AI Ghibli thing?
Grizz (1:07:01)
I it's hilarious. not gonna lie. Look man, if people are trolling shit and doing stuff they're not supposed to, I'm all about it.
Ice Bear (1:07:07)
Mm-mm-mm.
Mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm
Grizz (1:07:12)
Sup.
Now, the wild thing though is like on Twitter
or like, I'm gonna call it Twix, on Twix, people were like, Ghibli AI-ing like porn scenes. Yeah, and it would be like closeups where you'd be like a face of like,
Ice Bear (1:07:28)
Well that really interesting.
no.
Okay.
no...
Grizz (1:07:58)
Like, and it was funniest because they were also doing like old
Ice Bear (1:07:58)
Part of me wonders, not just with-
Go ahead.
Grizz (1:08:06)
No,
Ice Bear (1:08:24)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Grizz (1:08:36)
This just feels so viscerally wrong for like, for that to be gibble-fied. So I was like, man. So that one felt, that one, those felt like the worst to me. And I was like, but it was, it was funny in the sense of like, can't believe people are doing this, but like, it's the internet.
Ice Bear (1:08:39)
Hmm.
So.
I feel like right now my gut instinct is like AI art is I'm not a fan. I don't like it. But part of me wonders how much of this is going to be give it five, 10 years where like, this just going to be viewed? how digital art was at first. Like you don't know how to paint. You don't know how to actually paint. Like if you give someone like it's a really accomplished digital artists, like a paint brush, like can they do acrylic work?
Probably not. Some of them could, but a lot of them don't know how.
Grizz (1:09:31)
Yeah. Yeah, most can't.
Yeah. I do feel it's going to be that way, because I do kind of feel like,
I do feel like it's gonna be that, Cause one of the kind of, guess more in my bag is like music, right? Like.
And so I do know that there's a thing of like even when like EDM started getting really big and also that kind of stuff like it was looked down so hard on by like musicians and people that like you know spent years learning how to play an instrument all this other stuff and then you got this dude being care like I'm gonna fucking chop some shit up and then just be on stage with a laptop you know what mean and everybody's like what the fuck you know so
Ice Bear (1:10:04)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:10:15)
And I felt that way too, until like I had befriended an actual like good DJ and it was like, shit. Okay. Well like for me, writing a dope fucking melody or like a good, good, good riff was like. For them was like what sound they can create from something like getting like a getting like that, like getting that sound and distorting it to this fucking crazy ass bass drop.
Ice Bear (1:10:22)
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:10:45)
like the sound that they can create from that that's that's theirs is their version of a dope fucking riff a good riff and so like being able to contextualize it and seeing them work and like okay it was like i i get that because that's exactly what bag i'm in when i'm like writing you know so that that made it way more like way more palatable but i remember that being very much of a thing and then now you know edm's
Ice Bear (1:10:45)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm
Yeah.
Grizz (1:11:12)
like way, absolutely huge way more than it was a couple of decades ago. So like, I do feel like AI even going into the music space is one of those things where it's like, people are going to really fucking hate it, even more so than the EDM stuff. But I do think it's going to ultimately morph into how much AI things can you blend into like your own music? And how far can you push it?
Ice Bear (1:11:15)
Sure. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm
Grizz (1:11:41)
And so like it basically using using it as an extension like basically like I don't know like a fighter in a mech suit kind of thing you know what mean like
Ice Bear (1:11:51)
Yeah, that makes sense. Because I guess I've had the privilege of knowing like several like immensely talented artists. And so I understand from that perspective where you have this thing where someone's just like fucking bear eating berries in the woods and like it can shit out that that picture in 5000 different styles and it takes it a millisecond.
Whereas for a person to create that scene, takes hours, maybe days, depending on how detailed they want it to be. So I get the frustration when you have a thing that is being created with zero effort.
Grizz (1:12:32)
Yeah. Because he's the thing too, real quick. that's also one of the biggest things. effort and everything is a huge thing. But as much as I agree with that, also effort for the sake of effort doesn't mean shit. Right?
Ice Bear (1:12:48)
Well,
so that's kind of where I was going with this, right? Because I was thinking, like, if you're extending this down the road, when it's commonplace enough where it's viewed not as because I feel right now, like a lot of people have a genuine fear of it. But what if we go far enough down the road where it's just a tool, then I feel like it's me in the winter here, like you've seen pictures, I have a very long driveway. So when I shovel it, it's a several hour project.
Grizz (1:13:02)
See ya.
Ice Bear (1:13:17)
Could I buy a snowblower, a tool, and make it much quicker? Yes. But I like to do it with a shovel. I don't know why. I've always preferred that. So not only do I wonder, is there, like, there's clearly nothing inherently evil about a snowblower. It's just someone making, like you said, like, effort for the sake, like, I'm putting out effort because I want to. I also wonder if that's going to create a space where...
people creating art, music, whatever, by traditional means almost get enhanced because of the rarity of their talent. if you know how like sometimes you'll see like, I don't know, like, like heirloom vegetables and they go for like way more than like a, you know, major farm shout out vegetable like just because it's like a smaller independent thing. Like I wonder
Grizz (1:14:08)
I just, mean, heirloom
tomatoes in general. Motherfuckers like three times more expensive, but like, if I'm making a really nice dish, I'm buying a couple of them because they're fucking delicious. Yeah.
Ice Bear (1:14:19)
Right, exactly.
So like, I wonder if there's almost a place where because of AI, like actual artists, like their work receives more prestige than it does now because you're like, holy shit, you still took the time to learn that? Like, you don't have to do that.
Grizz (1:14:36)
Yeah,
I think that's definitely going to be a thing. Because like,
It's one of those where I'm going back. I got I keep falling into music stuff because that's been like my main thing. It surprised me how far a music actually come. Like I was absolutely surprised because I'm like I was fucking around with an AI generator with music and like. I'm like play create a song that's like this in like this and like this and like I'm getting.
Ice Bear (1:14:59)
Absolutely.
Grizz (1:15:15)
Melodies breakdowns and like solos over stuff and I'm like damn like this this is something they're like And this happened in minutes When like, you know, this is like a whole Day two day three day four day jam session with people, know what I mean? Like so like it was definitely like eye-opening in the sense of how far it's actually come But I do think
Ice Bear (1:15:34)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Grizz (1:15:44)
So I'm in two minds. think the effort for...
Just because something has effort in it doesn't make it more valuable. just like, you know, inherently to me, like just because there's labor involved doesn't necessarily mean it's valuable. Like how much labor and it isn't predicated on how, how valuable it is. Cause again, like I can have somebody pay somebody to move a pile of rocks and do from one side of my art to a, to a specific spot or from like my driveway, just specific spot in my yard and then do the thing. So like we can get ready for something and I'm paying them to do.
it but they move it to the opposite side of my heart twice as far away than the place I need it and they worked really hard doing it the same amount of work it doesn't necessarily mean like they still did it wrong and so like it doesn't mean like so effort in itself isn't intrinsically what makes them be valuable in my in my opinion so like but at the same time like your significant other does something for you that's like nice we're like
Ice Bear (1:16:29)
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:16:47)
Like even just like making dinner, like you could have ordered dinner and we can order something we both like in this fucking dope. But if they go and make something fast or like even if it's just something as simple as like instant noodles, but they like, you know, doctor it up towards like a little more like cool.
Ice Bear (1:16:52)
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:17:04)
Like you're gonna like that way fucking more because like they just did a little bit of effort and it's like, oh wow, you did this for like, I was like, damn, you're fucking awesome. You know, it makes you feel special. So like, that's kind of one of those things where I feel like human, necessarily like non AI art and think is gonna go to is cause you're gonna be like, well, somebody created this and they put that effort into it. So it makes this inherently more special.
Ice Bear (1:17:11)
Yeah.
I, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, and it's, guess what that ultimately boils down, like I agree with you pretty much across the board on that, is it kind of boils down to it's complicated. Like it's a very nuanced thing and it's, it's going to be, think quite situational. Cause yeah, like with, with an extension of the whole, like is effort like the end all be all.
like how many people have we known over the years and how many times have we talked about like someone in the gym like fuck I was in the gym three hours today okay great why were you in the gym three hours like could you shorten that to 45 minutes and had a more successful workout like were you just fucking dicking around talking to people for two and a half hours of it and then like the half hour you were there just doing half squats like just because you were there three hours doesn't mean you did something right like you could have dialed that way back and
Grizz (1:18:24)
Yeah.
Ice Bear (1:18:27)
been more accomplished.
Grizz (1:18:30)
Yeah, it's definitely, I guess somewhat of a gray area. It's definitely interesting. Like I do think as we integrate more, it's going to be, it's going to be way more pushback, but ultimately I do think it's going to be just be used as it's going to go to like from how much of a virtuoso are you to how well can you compose and utilize this thing that everybody can wield.
Ice Bear (1:18:58)
Yeah. Well, the other thing I was thinking about, because I was trying to make myself, was trying to put myself in a position where I like, I was angry at AI. And I was like, all right, what if I like put a lot of effort into and like recently it's been like learning Japanese, right? Like, you know, at least an hour every day for almost a year now.
And I was just thinking like, we are also at the point where technology, like, if I was willing to commit to buying like certain like glasses or tech or headphones, like it's just going to translate it for me, it would be fine. It's like, how much do I value having that knowledge in my head versus a machine being able to do it for me, like in real time.
Grizz (1:19:44)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the hardest thing because it's like because practicality wise like just being practical being logical like it makes sense like why am I gonna that's what 365 hours of my time or like 300 bucks and like I'm straight like you know so like it definitely makes sense but in this this may be like the you know like
Ice Bear (1:20:04)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Grizz (1:20:19)
humanistic conservatism in the sense of like trying to keep things pure like just humanistically so it's like
Cherishing knowledge that you can have within yourself. I do think there is something to be said about learning the language. languages are different in the sense where it's culture. It opens up all these different avenues. And do it, you'll learn.
Ice Bear (1:20:36)
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:20:56)
why things have significance in different cultures and different regions of like, that speak the language that you wouldn't go just by seeing a translation.
Ice Bear (1:21:06)
100%. And I've, I've had this conversation at length with Kwame, if you're listening, I miss you buddy. language and food, like those are the two things where like, no matter how far anything else comes, those are so intertwined with culture. And in, in essence, because of that, so intertwined with just like people's interconnectedness that like, I, I'm personally like,
I would never want to give that up even if there is an easier route. Like I would want to know it intrinsically. not intrinsically, I would want to know it... You know what I mean. Fuckin' bears. Gosh darn it. Do we get a third or are we trying to be good bears and dial it back?
Grizz (1:21:45)
Yeah.
I think that's a perfect reason to get the third.
Ice Bear (1:21:59)
I support this. All right. Do you want to scold me again while I grab my third? You can can can bully me and say I'm a bad little boy with bad genes.
Grizz (1:22:03)
Alright, I'm gonna go, okay.
That sounds like a
kink, but so I will not be saying that I spares a bad little boy with bad jeans. Actually, those are fantastic jeans. I don't know what he's talking about, but while I will say being prepared is cool. know, carry your first aid kit in your car. It's cool. Carry, carry wet wipes in your purse or your bag.
Cause you never know when you're going to go to a smokehouse and have barbecue and they're not going to have towels for you. So being prepared is cool. It's true.
Ice Bear (1:22:45)
Whatever you said, I agree.
What did you say? What did I agree with?
Grizz (1:22:52)
So
I was talking about how being prepared is really cool. All right. I was like, you got to be prepared because like, you know, it's like carry a first aid kit in your car. You never know when you're going to need it. It's great. I have one on my car also. And I was like, carry a carry a thing of wet wipes in your bag or your purse. You never know when you're going to go on a go to a smokehouse or a barbecue place and they're not going to have wipes for you to wipe your hands.
Ice Bear (1:22:58)
preparedness is neat.
you
Grizz (1:23:20)
It comes in handy. I speak from personal experience.
Ice Bear (1:23:24)
That's good advice. That is damn good advice.
Grizz (1:23:29)
I get it. Our first
like date, so at a smokehouse in Pasadena, they had no rolls, no paper towel roll, or they didn't give us any wet wipes. I was appalled because me, I ordered the big ass short ribs. Like, know, yeah, it's powerful. It's powerful. I ain't gonna trust a brisket from California.
Ice Bear (1:23:41)
and
Of course you did. What else were you going to order?
Grizz (1:23:56)
Right? Especially with Texas. like, but short ribs, short ribs are, that's God's candy. Now, I was going to say something like slightly more offensive, but I decided to censor myself. Yeah. So like, so I got that. They had no napkins. They had no this and that. So how was I supposed to grab?
Ice Bear (1:24:11)
I like God's candy, that's a good line.
Grizz (1:24:22)
my old fashioned that was brilliantly made in a glass with these meaty ass greasy vigners. Luckily the tiger was prepared and she carries a bag of wet wipes in her purse. I was saved. Being prepared is cool.
Ice Bear (1:24:42)
being prepared is cool I like it so you have your daily drinker for your third is that right I'm pleased to announce I have a new daily drinker I don't know if I told you well I tried it for the first time during our first episode and I like it so much and it's readily available and these things are on average like 240 a can so that's
Grizz (1:24:48)
That is correct.
How new?
And milk.
Ice Bear (1:25:10)
195 freedom units. Alien mastermind is back.
Grizz (1:25:16)
Beautiful. See?
Ice Bear (1:25:18)
It's
a 10.3. It's so good.
Grizz (1:25:21)
My thing is like, I hear like your craft beer prices over there, I'm, it always like hurts me a little bit because so, so me, I have a couple of craft beer spots I go to, but like in freedom dollars.
And I'm going by singles if I buy singles from anything the cheapest thing I could find is like five bucks six bucks They go upwards to like nine to ten per can for like for like a 16 ounce if I'm buying singles Which is usually what I do for to be to be But like I get these bad boys and after everything said and done for me it's a 12 pack for like 17 bucks
Ice Bear (1:25:57)
Yeah.
Grizz (1:26:10)
So, you know, we're talking about less right about a dollar a beer. You know, so this is where for me, my daily drinkers, my daily drinker for like, I don't know, a year and a half, two years now. Um, before this one, there are other versions of my daily drinker for a few years. I used to have the voodoo, the voodoo ranger, the Imperial IPA.
Ice Bear (1:26:10)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I remember it well.
Grizz (1:26:39)
It was a 9 % super better. That was my daily drinker.
No matter what like crap beers I add on hand, I would always have like a six pack to a 12 pack on hand too. And there's into, and then when they came out with like the whole fruit force, the juice for stuff, juice force became my daily drinker. Is this a heavy, this is like a super orangey, tangeriney, hazy, imperial. That's a 9.5.
And again, you can get a 12 pack for like sub 20 bucks.
Ice Bear (1:27:17)
you
Yeah, it's a good value. So I would say on average here, your average single is probably between three and four Canadian average. It is very easy to get.
like they have like typically they have like one or two end caps that are like clearance and luckily in my area I don't know if this is just I lucked into living in an area like this or if it's just pricing but it tends to be the stronger ones are here so like things above 7.5 typically wind up in clearance and so they are normally between 195 and three
I think the most you're ever gonna pay for an average one is five. You will see the occasional like 24 ounce or like the, like, not like what's, what's the thing that's almost a growler. Like it's, you do not, it has the pop top. Yeah. Whatever that is. Like you'll see those for like 13 sometimes.
Grizz (1:28:28)
Yeah. The bottle. Yeah. Yeah. Which, which,
which actually, so 13 Canadian, whether it's what like nine us.
Ice Bear (1:28:41)
Right now, I think it's like 10.
Grizz (1:28:43)
Okay. So you remember that that Lamond when you got
Ice Bear (1:28:51)
Yes.
Grizz (1:28:52)
So I found the size below the growler of that one when I got this one. So I almost got it, but it was like 16 bucks. And I was like, I ain't gonna mind buying this for 16 bucks.
Ice Bear (1:28:57)
interesting.
Yeah, no, I don't blame you. I don't blame you at all. So here's my question for you for this inaugural Bears After Dark frolicking having their naughty boy third beer. We've been pretty good about kind of organizing ourselves. Did you have a topic in mind or did you want to do first crack at mascots of a different sport?
Grizz (1:29:36)
Oh, so I did not have a topic in mind because I knew we were going to talk about like just general because we, know, the SWAT stuff, I knew we're going to talk about that. knew we were going to have that. I didn't want to like think about a topic. am cool with the crack of it though. But before we get into that, one of the things I am excited for, we're also going to throw it out there because of, you know, all sports ball and stuff.
Rangers won yesterday, one to zero. It was great. Not too bad. It was very windy though. So like that kind of helped. And their point they made was very early in the game. And just progressively got windier, windier. But the game before that they lost like fucking 14 to like two or something. So it was I was devastated when it happened.
Ice Bear (1:30:29)
So speaking of our beloved boar ball, my Jays.
Grizz (1:30:34)
Hm.
Ice Bear (1:30:35)
or at the top of the AL East. don't know if you saw that. They're five and two. They're having a pretty good start.
Grizz (1:30:43)
Yep.
Please get a pass.
Ice Bear (1:30:46)
now that means
now that being said the sport I was thinking of for dear Canadian listeners who make up roughly one tenth thanks to me I think they might appreciate some hockey if you had any interest in doing a hockey division
Grizz (1:31:04)
So funny enough, was literally thinking about this today. NHL hockey is the one thing that I have not gotten into. Because again, growing up in San Antonio, there's nothing of it. I think we have like the Scorpions now or something like weird shit. don't know what the fuck. But when I moved to Dallas, we have the Dallas As The Stars. And so I see it much more often now.
And like as a fan whose favorite sport is American football.
I see, and I swatch hockey stuff. I'm like, Oh, a of the things that I like about American football is there. So I'm like, I need to deep dive into this more. And then like, I have the thing of like moving into Dallas where there is the way you have our own NHL team. I'm like, it's, there's no reason for me not to be in this part. So, so it's.
Ice Bear (1:32:04)
really isn't.
Here's my elevator pitch to Americans that are thinking about getting into hockey. It is as fast paced as anything out there. is basketball with less fouls. is soccer with a smaller rink. So it is very fast paced. It has the electricity
of a sport that's goal-based. like one goal can like instantly, it changes the whole game. And so like it makes every moment very cathartic, like the same way baseball is in like the bottom of the ninth of a zero zero game and someone gets, holy shit, someone got to run. Like it's electric. And so like you're kind of hanging on the game the entire time. It is...
boxing on skates because you're you're gonna have fights fairly regularly if you commit to watching your team for a season you're gonna see 20 quality fights like it's they've kind of like weaned it down over the years but you're still gonna see fights for sure
and I would say in my experience, more than any other sport, is in my estimation, the last true team sport. Your most inflated ego superstar is still so comparatively down to earth compared to any other sport. And also you can have the best player on the planet and your team's not necessarily even going to be good.
You have to have a fully stacked team. And it's like, whereas in other sports, like your second string and third string might never play because of the way hockey takes shifts, your whole team's playing and your whole team matters. Guy A to guys Z has to be good. Like you have to be locked in as a team. So it's, it's awesome, man. It's really fun to watch. I could not recommend it more to anyone that likes sports in general.
Grizz (1:34:12)
Yeah, that's one. Because again, like, because the Stars is not a bad team. Even somebody that's not into hockey, like seeing that pop up and everything, I'm like, OK, like they obviously do well, especially like the prior year and everything. So I'm like, yeah, so it's like I have the capability of going to see them too. You know what I mean? And it's like.
Ice Bear (1:34:28)
Dude, they're at 104 points this year. They're doing great.
Grizz (1:34:39)
And it is cheaper comparatively like, you know, I go to a Rangers game, you're spending a few hundred bucks. Easy. Dallas game, twice that. Mavericks game, twice that. like, you know, Stars game, it's not going to be cheap, but it's significantly more cost effective than everything else.
Ice Bear (1:34:59)
So that's the funny thing, because it's basically the exact opposite here. So I was talking to my, when we were at the movie filming thing over the weekend, I was talking to a fellow Habbies fan. so here, hockey is basically what football is in the US. So it...
Grizz (1:35:16)
It's just funny because you're
wearing a hockey stick and I'm wearing a football.
Ice Bear (1:35:21)
that so it so if you were to watch like a habs game in Montreal and like good seats are 500 nosebleeds are probably still 100 but I remember distinctly as a kid especially before a veteran if you wanted to go see the caps like in DC
like hockey start cheap right but the inverse of that is also true because like if you want to see like like we don't like our only other pro sports team would be the Jays like outside of hockey but like and the Raptors tickets are actually insanely expensive but like Jays you can go on like a if you want to just go on like beer night on a Tuesday 15 bucks 20 bucks and you can get fun seats
Grizz (1:36:19)
I couldn't imagine going to like the globe life here to see the Rangers for fucking anything sub You probably can get nosebleeds for like 50 to 100 like 50 bucks if you're lucky typically we are on coaster 100
Ice Bear (1:36:37)
I'm going to try and check, I'm fact checking myself. Watch their tickets to be like $7,000.
Alright, flex tickets, blah blah blah.
Grizz (1:36:53)
some look.
going to stub hub. Let's see.
Ice Bear (1:36:59)
I'm
on Ticketmaster. Thank you for the sponsorship, Ticketmaster, this week. We appreciate you. Yep.
Grizz (1:37:06)
Are you this
show for free?
Ice Bear (1:37:09)
Starting at $20. Anything in the upper deck is 20 bucks.
Grizz (1:37:12)
Yeah, so.
Yeah. So, so I would say like with the, so if you're like at the absolute nose blades, like complete, complete top where you can't see shit and you can barely see the screen kind of thing, you can, you can get into the game for 17 to 23 bucks. That being said, parking's gonna cost more than that. So, so we have that. You get down to the one right below that.
Ice Bear (1:37:28)
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:37:44)
It goes all the way, it goes up to 60 to 70. You go to the one right below that you get fricking, you know, not that much. So you get, depends. If you want to sit behind like,
behind the batter, like that's the thing where you can't really see much of it the whole game at all. Like you can get it for, you can get close to the bottom for like 30, 50 bucks. But if you want to go like, or actually, it's half field, if you want to go where you're like behind the batter, like, you know, right field, feel like, or I'll say right field because you're behind the Rangers, you're talking about 250, 150, you know what, you're talking about that kind of things.
Ice Bear (1:38:07)
Mmm.
Grizz (1:38:35)
But like you, you can't, you, can see a Rangers game like ticket wise. can see, you can see a Rangers game ticket wise for sub 50, right? And get good decent seats. But then again, you have to take it for 50 bucks. We'll say you can take it for 30 bucks. Parking same price. Right. And that's like, you know, enough. And then beer, 10 bucks. You want food? 20 bucks.
Ice Bear (1:39:02)
Alright, I gotta ask a question, because I don't know, I can't remember. Dallas. Is there a metro? Like, do have a train? You have a subway?
Grizz (1:39:13)
Uh,
so yes for Dallas is called the dart. Um, it doesn't really go, Oh, I don't know. Like with the new stadium, I don't know if it goes by there, but you guys, because the, so the Dallas, the Dallas, uh, the Texas ranges, the global life stadium is, is not in Dallas, Texas. It's an Arlington, which is a, which is a Southern suburb of Dallas. So like.
Ice Bear (1:39:34)
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:39:39)
that type of transfer like the dark stuff I don't know if it actually goes that far
Ice Bear (1:39:45)
Hmm.
Grizz (1:39:45)
things that you can go to a parking lot that's like, you know, you'll walk a few blocks. Well, you can get a parking spot for like 30 bucks, 20, 30 bucks, but you're going to walk a few blocks, but we're totally worth it. Cause I mean, you park over, you park at the stadium, you're paying way past your ticket price. Yeah. And then the Cowboys games are worse. Cowboys games are awesome. The Cowboy stadium. Fucking amazing. Then you, then you stadium. Fucking great. And I granted the glare.
Ice Bear (1:39:57)
Mm-hmm.
Jeez, that's crazy.
Grizz (1:40:14)
And so yeah, okay, you'll put the stadium itself you go to the stadium awesome And the cowboy read us their margaritas and cowboy glasses. There's the ice is like it's italian ice Fuck fucking phenomenal. It's telling it's it's pretty dope
Ice Bear (1:40:18)
Mm.
That sounds pretty good.
Mm-mm. Well.
I don't know. So circling back, what do you think? you want to introduce some mascot for NHL?
Grizz (1:40:48)
How much? Okay. How much teams are in a division? so how much. So what was two divisions in it? okay. For total.
Ice Bear (1:40:52)
state.
was four. Four total.
Grizz (1:41:03)
Let's do to try to keep this under 20 minutes. Let's do two divisions.
Ice Bear (1:41:09)
All right, how about we do, let's do the division the habs are in and we'll do the division the stars are in. And then I think we should promise those that were engaged with the anime debate, let's finish the anime debate next week. Okay, okay. So let's start.
Grizz (1:41:16)
down.
down with that. Let's do that. We'll do the
Are you keeping tabs around? Like, I keep tabs?
Ice Bear (1:41:35)
Now I'll keep tabs on this. Our member. Okay. So same rules as last time. This is a battle taking place on the ice. So remember these are a team composed of your mascots. So we are dealing with six on six. Spaced as they would be in a normal hockey ice rink. Okay. So we're to start with your boys division. And actually I'm just going to go right down the current rankings.
But because I want the stars to be last for a year, I want you to think about it and stew about it for a bit. We're going to start at the bottom with the lowly Chicago Blackhawks against the Nashville Predators.
Grizz (1:42:19)
So what's a predator mascot?
Ice Bear (1:42:21)
Yeah,
so I was gonna say if you need help say the word it's okay. There's no shame in not knowing these if you're not a hockey fan. So the Predators mascot is a saber tooth tiger. And it's pretty, yeah, it's pretty dope looking. I think it's for me this doesn't seem like much of a like, I'm sure a Blackhawk is a very fearsome warrior, but it's still a person. And a saber tooth tiger is gonna probably wreck them.
Grizz (1:42:33)
Yeah, it's like.
it's a person. thought it was a fucking bird. That was a hawk.
Ice Bear (1:42:51)
Okay,
okay, so the the Washington. What are they now commanders former mass. Can you can you picture the old mascot. Yeah, it's it's the exact same logo just for some reason they got away with it longer.
Grizz (1:42:58)
Dresden's.
Yeah, so it's a it's a black hawk redskin.
Okay.
Ice Bear (1:43:12)
But regardless, I think the Predators wreck that.
Grizz (1:43:15)
Yeah, 1000 % yeah, Sabertooth wins. I watched Ice Age Sabertooth wins.
Ice Bear (1:43:20)
I mean also again we have the added the added caveat of this is now on ice so you've got to think about like balance in
Grizz (1:43:27)
And it on ice and enclosed.
Okay. Yeah. Six, six predators are winning. Easy.
Ice Bear (1:43:33)
Okay. All right. So,
so, so the Preds are moving on this next one. This is also fun. So we have the Utah hockey club, the newest team in hockey. this is an expansive franchise. They have yet to, I think if we revisited this down the road, cause they're supposed to select a mascot, like an official mascot, like this season. And they were like letting the people of Utah kind of vote on it. One of the top contenders is a Yeti, by the way.
So that would be dope. But right now they're hockey club, which is just a bunch of guys that play hockey. So, you know, athletic lads, but unfortunately for them, their draw today is the Minnesota Wild. And the wild mascot is a fucking bear. It's a big ass grizzly. So I think this is yet another case where I'm sorry, humans, you're not going to do too well against bears on the ice.
Grizz (1:44:02)
Mmm.
True. Six bears.
Ice Bear (1:44:32)
Yeah, so these, this has been two easy wins. Now this is going to be the hardest one I think because this is very, we're going to have to like really flex our artistic muscle thinking about this. We now have the St. Louis blues, which is like music blue, like blues against the Colorado avalanche. So we have music versus a force of nature.
Grizz (1:45:00)
So
I hear blues and I think of mashed potato Johnson from from metalocalypse and he had to teach the band Death Clock how to play the blues and he was amazing.
Ice Bear (1:45:16)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:45:18)
I don't think six Maxx Johnsons can survive one avalanche, much less six.
Ice Bear (1:45:27)
See, the other thing about like, the avalanche is how do you how do you determine when something like an avalanche has lost? Like is it?
Grizz (1:45:39)
a survivor after one's finished?
Ice Bear (1:45:42)
So like, are we saying like the avalanche is murdered or drown out the sound of music before the snow melts?
Grizz (1:45:51)
If we're going that way, we're going esoteric, Avalanche is winning 1000%. You ain't getting some nice tasty ass guitar licks, like panatonic guitar licks, or like fucking some nice brass to go over a sheet of fucking snow if you're covered. But if we want to say where somebody survives in Avalanche, and this blues musician, six of them live,
Six avalanches like okay
Ice Bear (1:46:22)
But again,
we're on an ice rink. So what are the odds a human lives an avalanche when they only have half an ice rink to escape on?
I think the avalanche went.
Grizz (1:46:35)
Yeah, I don't see. And then even at that, if we want to go like not a force of nature, right? We just want to go like a Chevy Avalanche. Six Chevy Avalanches are killing six, six blues players easy.
Ice Bear (1:46:53)
But again, if we're going Chevy Avalanche, there's no one driving it. So they're just parked. And then the blues players are just going to slowly serenade them.
Grizz (1:46:57)
shit.
But that does mean that they're going to outlive the blues musicians though, right? If they're just not moving.
Ice Bear (1:47:13)
Okay, now to be fair, the avalanche logo is clearly like the snow avalanche. So I think they have to move on. All right, so the final one in your divi- go ahead.
Grizz (1:47:18)
Alright,
Ooh, so here's this,
like, survival rates in avalanche incidence vary significantly based on the duration of burial. According to studies, the chances of survival decreased rapidly with time. For instance, if an avalanche victim is rescued within 15 minutes, the survival rate is approximately 92%. However, this rate drops to about 37 % after 35 minutes of burial.
For burials lasting over an hour, the survival probability is much lower, which only a slight decrease observed between 60 minutes and 1,400 minutes ranging from 23 to less than six. How long is a hockey game?
Ice Bear (1:48:06)
Okay, so I think it would.
So it's three 20 minute periods, but from actual time, we're probably looking at two and a half hours. They're dead. So avalanche move on. Okay, so that brings us to your boys. The Dallas stars against the Winnipeg jets, which honestly, this is brutal because I don't think I have. Okay. All right. So we have an inanimate object again, in the jets.
Grizz (1:48:14)
Yeah, they're Yep.
Ice Bear (1:48:36)
Cause it's literally like same as the football jets, just like a plane, like a fighter jet. Albeit with a better logo cause it's a cool leaf, but still just a jet. And then we have the Dallas stars, which are literally stars because they, uh, I don't know if you're aware, they used to be the Minnesota North stars before they moved to Dallas. So was it's the stars. It's the stars.
Grizz (1:49:01)
So we're talking about a giant fireball from space.
Ice Bear (1:49:06)
right? Because if you put that inside of hockey rink, obviously the jets are immediately like vaporized. shit, I think based on this logic, the stars are going to have a pretty easy time in this one.
Grizz (1:49:19)
Yeah, have six stars, six nuke.
Ice Bear (1:49:22)
Yeah, you have six
stars in a hockey rink somehow. shit, yeah, Dallas is moving on for sure. boy. Yeah, this is going to be fun for the night. I can't see. All right, this will be a fun mental gymnastics project for the next time we revisit this, but yeah, the stars are for sure moving on. All right. OK, so that brings us to my lads in their division. All right, so.
Grizz (1:49:28)
Yeah.
Ice Bear (1:49:52)
we're also going to go in reverse order for standings. So first we have the Boston Bruins against the Buffalo Sabres. So we have a bear again against the Sabres, which are like, so their mascot's a little confusing because it's a Buffalo, but it's also like Sabres, like what? Perrier, Touche, like Sabres, like swords. So I'm going to pretend it's like Buffaloes that somehow have swords against bears.
Grizz (1:50:20)
So buffaloes can't hold swords, they got hooves. already they're at a disadvantage. Now can a buffalo kill a bear?
I think bears win.
So, okay, put this in American football terms. What are the Bruins?
Ice Bear (1:50:48)
Okay, so... Alright. The reason I hate the Bruins so much, they're like the Habs Archnemesis.
Grizz (1:50:57)
Although the ravens.
Ice Bear (1:51:00)
Yeah, they're the Ravens to the Bengals. Yeah. Well, no, they're more like the Steelers to the bank. They're more the Browns to the Bengals. But here's the here's the here's the thing about hockey history. Hockey has a thing called the original six. There's a couple of teams that have been around since the beginning. So like the Habs are a 1909 team. So this is a franchise well over 100 years old. Boston Bruins are also an original six team. So from the onset of the NHL, they have been competing against each other.
The Habs by far have the most Stanley Cups. won 24. So like no one else is even close. But over the years, some of their best matchups, especially in the playoffs, seventies, eighties, even, even now moving forward are against the Bruins. So like these teams hate each other. Like, so yes, for, for you, for you, that's the equivalency. Yes. 100%. But
Grizz (1:51:50)
So it's like Dallas Redskins. Yeah, Cowboys Redskins, yeah. OK. Easy, OK.
Ice Bear (1:51:58)
And much like Dallas and the Redskins, they're both accomplished teams. These are both teams that have cups, right? So they're winning franchises. anytime you ever see hockey things like rank, greatest rivalries, that is the number one in hockey, bar none. They hate each other. You could have one of them having a terrible season, a dogshit season, and the other one leading the league.
And it's still gonna be a damn good game because they hate each other that much.
Grizz (1:52:29)
Yeah,
I remember this so much times. Like again, cause I told you my dad, diehard Cowboys fan Cowboys are losing. I'm not coming home straight up because my dad's going to be kind of drunk and piss off. I ain't going to go home. Right. My uncle, his closest brother, where they're like two peas in a pod, thick as thieves kind of thing. Diehard Redskins fan. So it was a couple of the things from like Redskins were like, and nine, and eight.
Ice Bear (1:52:41)
Sure. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Grizz (1:52:58)
and shit but yet they're still like neck and neck with the cowboys even when the cowboys were like going to the playoffs kind of thing so it was always one of those things so it's
Ice Bear (1:53:14)
Mm.
Grizz (1:53:14)
It
was always funny. Or it would be like the end of the season. It would be like one in whatever, So it would be like one in 10 close to the of the season. like one in nine. And the only the only game the Redskins won was against the Cowboys.
Ice Bear (1:53:31)
Yeah, yeah. That seems right though.
just one of those things, some teams just play better against other teams hmm alright
Grizz (1:53:46)
That's
how I felt like every time the Cowboys even when they were doing good when they went up against the Giants. I was like, fuck. Like no matter what, it's just like Giants are built as like Cowboy killers.
Ice Bear (1:53:52)
Yeah, that's.
like objectively not like like genuinely even if I'm putting my own biases aside our two teams are in the like the most competitive divisions in football like NFC East and AFC North like those like teams hate each other like way more than any other divisions
Grizz (1:54:21)
Yeah.
Ice Bear (1:54:23)
like, I can't think of any other things where like every year like the the seller dweller is going to put up a good fight against whoever's leading the division. But nature of the beast. So our next one is my boys, my Habbies, my Montreal Canadians against the Detroit Red Wings. So we have
settlers of Quebec against. The thing about the Red Wings logo is I've never really understood it. Like it's a tire with a wing. Hold on. Let's let's investigate this a bit.
Grizz (1:55:03)
Was it like, like red ring boots? Wait, where's?
Ice Bear (1:55:07)
I'm going to look up the mascot because I know, I know they
also throw octopi.
Grizz (1:55:12)
Huh?
Ice Bear (1:55:13)
Yeah, so one of the things with Detroit is like in the middle of game, like, or maybe it's squid. No, I think it's octopus. Hold on. Bear with me. Octopus.
Legend of the Octopus, hold on, brief side story for those that don't know. Legend of the Octopus sports tradition during Detroit Red Wings games that involved throwing dead octopi onto the ice rink. The origin dates back to the 1952 playoffs where the team played a two best of seven series to capture the Stanley Cup. So you needed eight wins to win the cup back then. So they threw octopi because of the eight legs.
All right, but we what we need to know is their mascot. Because I don't know. It's Al the octopus. So we have octopi against people from Quebec.
Grizz (1:56:09)
So talk to you later.
Ice Bear (1:56:10)
It's it's octopi.
Grizz (1:56:12)
So what's the wing thing? So where is this team from? Detroit. Let's say Michigan. OK, never mind then. Because the Red Wing boots is Minnesota, so never mind. So octopus versus a person on ice. Yeah, the person's win. Yeah, because we in water maybe.
Ice Bear (1:56:16)
Detroit, Yeah.
So, just a person.
Yeah, yeah, I think.
It's a really boring game, the habs are moving on. All right, so now we have the...
Grizz (1:56:39)
They're gonna
have a good dinner.
Ice Bear (1:56:43)
speaking of good dinners we now have the Ottawa Senators so again just people against the Florida Panthers so I don't know about you but this seems pretty clear the Panthers are going to move on
Grizz (1:56:55)
Especially with Dobie senators.
Ice Bear (1:56:58)
so
like I think the implication is this is like Roman senators so like slightly more like like kind of like guys from 300 but still against Panthers on ice
Grizz (1:57:09)
Yeah, but to be fair, they're what Europe
and Europe didn't have any actual animal predators. Right? Like they didn't have, they had no bears. They had no crazy ass mountain cats. had no like none of that shit. They might, they would lose to a pack of dogs.
Ice Bear (1:57:18)
Yeah.
that's very true
Alright, and now here's where I'm going to get myself cancelled from my beloved fan base. We have the Toronto Maple Leafs against the Tampa Bay Lightning.
Grizz (1:57:40)
Okay,
just okay. Anybody that has just Google, just Google a lightning striking a tree and tell me who wins. Now, when you think of that, you think how the tree did a good fight. Think of the millions of leaves, how much leaves got burned in that one strike.
Ice Bear (1:58:00)
Okay, so this is kind of like we're in another San Diego Chargers scenario, right? Because it's a lightning bolt. But to be fair, just so that we're crossing all our T's and dotting all our I's, the Maple Leafs mascot is a polar bear.
but still like against lightning.
Grizz (1:58:19)
Okay,
so it's a polar bear. Here's the thing. Did we not can a polar bear survive a lightning strike?
Ice Bear (1:58:33)
don't think so.
Grizz (1:58:34)
I don't know man, cause haven't humans survived lighting strikes?
Ice Bear (1:58:38)
but six of them, again, six of them.
Grizz (1:58:42)
So we just need one bear to survive.
Ice Bear (1:58:45)
But the other thing is that was our logic last time, wasn't it? fuck.
Grizz (1:58:50)
Yep. And I stand by the logic.
We have a layer of insulation. We got blubber.
Ice Bear (1:58:55)
Alright, let's look it up. Polar bear. Lightning strike survival odds.
This is good, good research we're doing. We're doing God's work.
Grizz (1:59:18)
Look, about 90 % of lightning strike victims and humans survive.
Ice Bear (1:59:21)
That's what I'm
saying. Shit. Okay.
Grizz (1:59:28)
Polar bears
take a of a doughy ass fucking little bitch human can survive lightning strike nine out of ten times Then polar bear all all the polar bears are living
Ice Bear (1:59:35)
whole library is doing.
All right. Maple leaves move on. Maple leaves move on.
Grizz (1:59:45)
Look at that. You
didn't get canceled by your own people and your own people.
Ice Bear (1:59:51)
man, I'm still just having a really hard time seeing how I'm kind of like preemptively looking at the two divisions that we skipped. And I don't know how anyone beats your boys. How do you beat a star?
Now the other thing is, I have been making the error of kind of just not using the actual mascot sometimes. Cause like, I don't think there's a person dressed as a star.
Grizz (2:00:24)
What
is the star mascot?
Ice Bear (2:00:28)
I'm looking, it's a green alien. I love him. His name is Victor E. Green, and he looks kind of like Alf.
But we already did what we did. No take backsies. This is what happens when it's bears after dark, three bears deep. Stars are moving on, whether they're aliens or not, don't be a bigot.
Grizz (2:00:48)
That's true.
wow, he's interesting. That's definitely not what I expected.
Ice Bear (2:00:56)
Yeah.
If right. Right.
Grizz (2:01:01)
It's more like I
say Alf.
Ice Bear (2:01:05)
All right. Well, you know what? Look at that time. Look where we wanted to stay and look where we wound up.
Grizz (2:01:15)
You know what? The inaugural Bears After Dark deserves to be two hours. It is what it is.
Ice Bear (2:01:22)
It's gonna happen. It's not our fault. It's three beers. It's after dark.
Grizz (2:01:24)
You know?
The fact that we did three beers in two hours, it's not bad. When I lost two hour one, we did with two beers. So technically we're on the money with this one. Then we're talking about what? 40 minutes per beer? Not bad. Not bad at all.
Ice Bear (2:01:33)
Pretty impressive.
We really are.
Not bad at all.
Can't complain. And I imagine your old faithful remains an A.
Grizz (2:01:59)
Yeah, it will always be a B plus A minus.
Not a bad beer. Delicious beer. It's not the best beer I've ever drank in the world, but it's one of its. Bless you.
Ice Bear (2:02:13)
Thank you, sorry.
Grizz (2:02:15)
It hits all the boxes. It's nice. It's cheap. It's a 9.5. Bless you.
Ice Bear (2:02:24)
Lions roar, my bad.
Grizz (2:02:26)
That was powerful.
Ice Bear (2:02:28)
Yeah. Well, what a good way to wrap it up.
Grizz (2:02:36)
think that's good. oh, actually, yours. What was your new daily drinker?
Ice Bear (2:02:44)
It stays an A. It's And I'm allergic to it.
Grizz (2:02:45)
stays in a lawsuit
and I think with that, Cue in the music.
Beautiful.
